Get your shortnames while the getting’s good.
If not decentralized, it’s a no go…
The site looks vibe coded. It’s possible they just bought the trademark, quickly set up a site and hope to capitalize on the reputation of former Twitter.
The $20 and $40 early access certainly makes it seem like it. Even if that isn’t the case, time has shown that centralized social media has flaws so idealists will just stay with Mastodon while the people that want a large user base and easy of use will just use BlueSky instead. IMO there is no market aside from a possible gofundme-invention type exit scam.If nothing else we know this project will piss off Elon and that’s always a plus.
Paid early access? I think I’ll pass…
Yeah i’il keep using mastodon and bluesky, also, they already have investors so it’s dead at birth for me
Bluesky is also owned by a corporation and, like Twitter, could sell to a fascist billionaire whenever they find it profitable to do so.
X vs Bluesky is a great microcosm of American team-sports politics. Mastodon is something actually new.
Yeah but ppl are on bluesky
who needs people when you can talk to leftist nerds ?
Have you met people?
Yeah that’s true but perfect is the enemy of good, Mastodon isn’t gaining much traction so my hope is that at least we can get a federated protocol, whatever it is
Perfect is the enemy of good, but so is the desire for convenience.
Mastodon gains less traction because it doesn’t have an advertising budget, unlike Bluesky. Because Bluesky is owned by a corporation.
Is Bluesky federated? I thought it wasn’t. Tumblr also said they were going to, but then just… didn’t.
Bluesky is federated if you have $10,000,000
Yeah it does, though it uses their own protocol (ATprotocol) they open sourced it too
The AT Protocol was open from the start. It’s not the issue and is actually rather clever in parts, in my limited understanding.
The issue has more been that there was no way to run another server than the main one at first, and then that you could but it couldn’t interoperate. I understand this is now something of the past, but I don’t think I’ve ever come across a link to a bluesky post that wasn’t on bsky.app.
Looking a bit into it, it looks like all you need to do is host a Personal Data Server (PDS): https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds?tab=readme-ov-file#self-hosting-a-pds
then that you could but it couldn’t interoperate
So now you can? I hope so…
Anyway yeah, i never seen someone self host their own instance even though it should be possiblePDS is just one part of the whole thing. It’s just the place where your data is stored. Almost all other parts of the network are dependent on Bluesky’s stack. Even the alternatives like Blacksky and Eurosky are still dependent of Bluesky’s implementations like the Appview. So if Bluesky goes down, it affects the other services (in some way) too. One can host a PDS for cheap, but if you want a proper social media service (with post history, search etc), it is kind of expensive. There are other appviews, but for some reason Bluesky going down causes issues in Blacksky, Eurosky etc
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You look like a mentally ill not them, sorry
Being aware of stuff is a fault?!
Wow it’s been so long since I’ve seen so many faults in one comment.
Do you have someone you can talk to about these feelings? It sounds like you have some repressed feelings in there.
Bro seems to forget the early twitter when writting ts
After seeing what happened to Twitter following the purchase, I think anyone who buys Bluesky would be very wary about trashing the brand in the same way.
Unless it’s Larry Ellison, or Elon Musk again, or one of the other many technofascist billionaires with money to burn in pursuit of social engineering.
Don’t just look at the company profits. After Musk bought Twitter, Trump won and Musk gained direct access to the government. I think, that’s a pretty good return on the investment.
But most importantly: Elon now has his own big media company. No longer are the other rich guys ridiculing him because he doesn’t have his own media empire. He’s now a real full member in the club.Do not underestimate the power of capitalism
also, they already have investors so it’s dead at birth for me
Launching with the immediate intent for profit screams either a scam (Especially with Musk being kind to give up the name, massive red flag).
Yeah
Smells like deception. Please come to our “New” site with the same name but this one is totally not uncool or handing all your personal info to Musk.
But spend more money? $8 on that piece of shit “X” site. Fucking joke show.
But you can pay $20 for the premium instantaneous social media aggregate algorithm site! You’ll get all the top paid for profit sponsored posts first before anyone else! Just imagine retweeting your friends minutes before they see this million dollar donated Pepsi ad that is collaborating with Oreo! Whooooaaaaaa! You’ll be the most popular person in your friend group for 15 seconds! But make sure you share first or else you’ll be ostracized by everyone because you didn’t pay an extra $9.99 for ultra fast retweet privilege!
Yeah. “Lets try centralized algorithmic corporate social media again.”
Im sure this attempt will end up just as wholesome.
Also, with a website that’s clearly designed by AI.
What could go wrong
Gonna be digg 2.0 (or 3.0?) all over again.
I’m not claiming Twitter is great.
But this is obviously going to fail, always was obviously going to fail. It’s a PR stunt, nothing more.
Twitter will sue them, they’ll settle for giving up the name and some token fine, and hopefully they’re on the map. Or, their hail mary long shot will pay off and they’ll get to call themselves twitter in which case holy shit they’re golden. That’s the strategy.
It’s stupid- they’ll lose in court and I doubt whatever they offer is more compelling than what’s already out there.
It’s stupid
Definitely.
they’ll lose in court
I’m not sure they will, genuinely. They intentionally abandoned the domain name for the website… and they’re no longer using the logo or name anywhere on their product, or corporate documentation.
The case that it’s up for grabs is actually decently strong.
Disney didn’t use Steamboat Willie for a while, they didn’t lose it…
Steamboat Willie is an example of Copyright. Twitter is an example of a Trademark. A Copyright is much much much easier to defend than a Trademark.
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/trademark-patent-copyright
This is more akin to Disney saying, “We hate mice! Disney is now a chain of casinos and we’re rebranding to 🅱️!”
Could almost be similar to the situation that forced Musk to buy Twitter in the first place, because he of course tweeted that Twitter would never be Twitter again and they were ‘getting rid of the bird’”.
There are more details in the article and older articles linked as well.
- Cash grab on an old name and hoping people pony up the $20 to join it.
- Not using ActivityPub or ATProto.
Yeah, it’s already DOA.
If anyone is serious about creating a new centralised social network these days, they have already lost.
Shame. A new Twitter that supports all the open protocols would have been cool. Fediverse with a name people recognise.
Isn’t that just Mastodon?
Mastodon is not called Twitter, and the vast majority of people have no idea what it is, unfortunately. A Mastodon instance called Twitter would be a great idea, although I think Mastodon doesn’t support all the protocols like Friendica does. But Friendica is too unlike Twitter.
I suppose that could potentially drag Mastodon’s developer into a legal fight (if X were to sue them), which would be costly and a distraction.
Not mastodon devs but the instance owners
I have a feeling that Musk is gonna sue who he’s gonna sue.
Mh yeah you are quite right i guess, he’s dumb and rich
It may well be intended as a serious attempt but personally I’m just going to view it as trolling/a gimmick, in which case I don’t care how shit the actual platform is. Seems to be more about making a point against Musk than getting a serious userbase.
and the sign up doesn’t even work, just 404s
Oh lol. It must have been because their firebase tokens were exposed and people were able to get around the waitlist/payment and sign up for an account.
Take a look: https://x.com/Patrosi73/status/2093079851393524087 (I would link to Xcancel/Nitter… but space karen decided to wig out)
Somewhere in there is step 3: profit
I want to start a business that fleeces these rubes, how does an average man break into the bullshit game
Would be funny if Twitter/X Supports ATProto. Maybe also don’t give up the X Brand and you could interact with Bluesky users or twitter or X Handles and if you Bridge to the Fediverse yeah that works to. I could really delete my x/Twitter Profile and say. Hey My new Handle is my bridged Mastodon Account.
And I’m going to keep dead naming X as Twitter until Musk stops dead naming his daughter. I never used the site in the first place, but that’s besides the point.
And I’m going to keep dead naming X as Twitter until Musk stops dead naming his daughter.
I’ll dead name Twitter long after Musk stops dead naming his daughter, or he himself is dead. X is a stupid fucking name.
We both know Musk is never going to stop dead naming his daughter, so same difference.
imo musk is a deadname now after he came out as a nazi. Now its just the nazi or space nazi if there are multiple nazi’s in the subject being discussed
ngl, who cares? I’ve never seen somebody going rabid over calling it Twitter.
I joined when it was the only way to win a pair of tickets to The Colbert show’s last taping. I didn’t win, I’ve never opened the site again. My username is like “adifficultpoo” lol
Ah yes, just what the world needs: another Twitter.
Twitter was awful before Musk bought it. Hard pass.
Finally Twitter’s name and logo isn’t a ripoff of the X Windowing System(maybe)
Lol. It’d be hilarious if this succeeded. It was so dumb of Musk to change the name.
Most of what musk does is dumb.
He didn’t get rich from being smart.
I assume he got rich how most people get rich, luck and being a sociopath.
also having a lot of money to start out with helps
And an apartheid era emerald mine
aka luck
And also by being a vaporware scam artist. Thunderf00t on YouTube has a whole collection of videos showcasing Musk’s whole repertoire of bullshit.
yea… that’s pretty much all Thunderfoot posts about nowadays… he hella fell off, for multiple reasons. But like, a decade ago he used to talk about scam kickstarters, atheism, interesting science topics, etc. And then in those debunking science videos he would bring the math and receipts that made it fun to watch… But then in the past 5 years it’s just been Elon… nearly every video is about Elon. It’s obsessive.
And tbf, that’s not the only ick around Thunderfoot. I mean, he did kinda get his start during the Anti-SJW culture war shit doing anti-femisist ragebait videos. Basically occupied the same spaces as Sargon, Bearing and GradeAunderA… and he’s never really “grown” out of that, or addressed it, let alone apologized for it. He harps on Elon, and sometimes Trump/AlexJones/StevenCrowder but he’s never really talked about how he and his ilk helped bring them about.
Not to mention that he milks this content to extreme, he can say things which would take 1 minute in 10
His latest video was exploring ‘anti-baking soda’ as a potential novel way to do CO2 capture at scale.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fvxNmStSC3M
He also ‘got his start’ before Anti-SJW youtube was a thing. His first series that popped off, back in the day, the day being 2008ish, was "Why do People Laugh at Creationists?'.
I don’t know that he ever … explicitly collabed with Sargon or any of those guys, but yeah he did exist in roughly the same genre-space, around the GamerGate era of i dunno, 2013 to 2015, ish?
While he has covered Elon a lot, thats because he started calling bullshit on Elon’s nonsense since way, way before that was common… he’s been tooting his own horn a bit, following around 10 years of Elon’s trolls telling him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and well, it turned out he did.
He literally has a personal grudge against Elon Musk.
For all his faults, he is one of the oldest, OG youtubers, since damn near day 1, who is also still around, and hasn’t imploded.
His first vid is 19+ years old, so, 2007ish, and its calling out GWB as a war mongering liar.
All that being said, if you want a more recent youtube channel thats basically just mostly been tearing Musk to shreds, with science: Common Sense Skeptic.
By ‘more recent’ I mean they’ve only been around for 5 or 6 years, I think.
Was unaware of much of that; how disappointing. That being said, what I’ve watched about Musk was informative.
Mostly inherited wealth, but also those things.
A surprising number of people do not understand how getting rich works. Literally anyone can do it. You simply need to do whatever everyone else refuses to do.
You take on the risks. You debase yourself you compromise any and all ethics. You whore out for shareholders who will give you endless money to shield them from consequences they directly funded.
It’s profitable because there is always demand for a new villain and damn near nobody wants to do it. For a good fucking reason.
Are you rich? Where’s your Bugatti?
It’s in the shop. In Canada. But totally real. You just can’t see it right now because it’s in the shop. In Canada.
You take on the risks.
It’s easier to take on the risks when you’re already rich from inherited wealth.
You seem to be mistakenly conflating getting rich with increasing wealth. Just about nobody gets rich. Many people leverage their existing wealth to gain more. Frequently, that exchange is the start of what is now defined as enshitification.
Everyone cannot do it. Fundamentally its easy: Have money and pick something to middleman. Waste capital until you ‘disrupt’ that flow. ???. Maybe profit. Who the fuck cares? You got yours. Repeat.
Simple: have wealth. Easy.
Step one is have money to make money. Aside from being the result of two wealthy people fucking… care to detail how so many people are checking that box?
Certainly - there ARE paths to wealth… but they are rare, risk heavy, and frequently are destined to be prey to a resource rich competitor.
A lot of it has to do with over-promising and under-delivering. The rest is marketing.
I’m hearing ‘once you have money do…’
Care to tell me where that gullible userbase is coming from? Pray, tell - what do they come for?
Before that is even a factor you must either be first - with research and development … and manufacturing… and distribution… or better. Or cheaper! Or able to undercut the competition.
Of the things mentioned… I seem to be struggling to find the element lacking a substantial financial investment.
Care to tell me where that gullible userbase is coming from?
They’re not all gullible. A lot of VC types are obsessive gamblers, they’ll throw money at anything that sounds like it might have a high return.
Pray, tell - what do they come for?
That’s where the marketing comes in. Elon is pretty good at selling these big ideas, making them sound futuristic and world-changing. He not only sells those ideas to VCs, but also to the government. A lot of his businesses have pulled in substantial government contract money. The public rarely gets any return from those tax dollars.
VC won’t give you the time of day if you lack a product or platform. This isnt go-fund-me or r/wsb. VC appear to bet big but are frequently pretty well informed and diversified. Their big bets aren’t much from their prospective… and frequently will be the first to squeeze “their due” from a failing venture.
I dont see how Elon makes a good example for this. If anything it supports what I said:
Elon is wealthy. He has a platform. He has shit he’s bought and is reselling snake oil from those things. He’s not poofing something from nothing.
Most? Can anyone name anything smart he’s done in years?
Finally deleted she who shall not be named from my address book.
Do I win?
Most of what musk does is dumb.
People are dumber than him though, for example there are plenty of idiots here who share content from his platforms
I used to be surprised at how stupid billionaires can be. But, then I remembered they don’t actually do anything where they work, and the real employees run behind them and clean up their messes. When they stick their fingers in the works, they fuck it up, Cybertruck being one example.
Third generation curse.
I personally believe the cybertruck was a designer who was making fun of musk. He submitted a pinewood derby car he made when he was 7.
Its the literal emperors new clothes.
Why? You don’t find it convenient to say “X, formerly Twitter”? I think it just rolls off the tongue! /s
So, I’m just checking…
- It is not open source?
- It uses AI to “Fact-Check”?
- It costs 20$ to join, and possibly more later?
Well, they have chosen interesting path those people behind this thing.
This will never amount to more than a cash grab.
Sadly, true.
If only it was just a Mastodon instance (was thinking about creating “Twatter”, as a joke).
They’ll fail pretty quickly I bet, so the Mastodon instance could still happen later!
sounds like Shitler himself launched the “new site” for some extra money grabbing.
hahaha, this is the first thing I though after the idiot changed the iconic name to nothing, go twitter! (no, I’m not joining bluebird, but I like the trust threshold idea)
I hope this takes off and people start using “tweet” and “twitter” again and it makes “x” completely irrelevant like his Hitler salute should have
Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I’m out
Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I’m out
Well, they need something to pay the lawyers with once Musk takes notice.
Edit: I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article” and found out that they’ve already been sued, though it’s still not entirely settled.
I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”
Spread the word my brother! You’ve got to let everyone know about this new fad!
I read it but honestly, probably 80% of the time I do not. Because articles are very often full of pop ups and ads and tracking and paywalls, and are unnecessarily verbose (most can be summarized in 1-2 sentences), and are just republishing someone else’s work while adding nothing, and simultaneously devoid of useful information or any actual sources.
Some of that can be solved with Firefox and unblock.
100% can be solved by knowingly making a glaringly obviously false claim about the topic and someone will correct you in a dickish tone while citing the article
Your grandad’s AI summary, if you will.
I’ve seen AI summaries that looked like the AI had not read the article.
Works for me 😏
I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”
What dark magic is this
I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”
This is liberal propaganda FAKE NEWS
Edit: I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”
Jokes aside: I think it’s great that you read the article, then went back to both acknowledge that it covered your point and admit that you didn’t before.
I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”
Wait. Is that allowed?
How do I learn this power?
This here is an excellent guide:
vibe coded slop asking for $20 bucks to sign up… i think I’m okay
Oh fuck this is embarrassing
That site was blocked by spectrum when I tried it
Lol
Probably a pre-emptive block to stop scam sites from using domain that are similar.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many em dashes ever. Not even in the most copy/paste AI slop wall of text. Holy moly.
Wow you were not kidding. Some of them are extra awkward and unnatural too, it’s almost a parody of what slop text looks like.
We believe people should have more control over what they see — and more transparency about the information in front of them.
An early illustration of the idea — you decide how much low-trust noise reaches your feed:
You can’t pay me enough to click on that link.
Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I’m out
They probably need the money to pay for their AI-based “fact-checking”:
A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based “veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short), which runs on every tweet.
Using a technology that’s known for making shit up, for fact-checking, is so dumb, but it will probably bring in investors because AI.
Do they expect everything posted to be just news and information that can be fact-checked? Is this AI going to fact-check my opinions and shitposts too?
The homepage feels like AI slop too.
“I just watched movie. It sucked!”
“Beep boop. According to trustworthy, verifiable sources, movie does not suck. Sanction : immediate ban.”
AI is very good at classification
Every tweet
Poop emoji - this has been fact checked but can not be independently verified due to lack of context
Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I’m out
…As a “founder”; we’ll see how long that lasts
but til then at least, I’m out too
it cost $20 to join?
Shit, that’s twice as much as it used to cost to join Something Awful, and I bet you don’t even get access to furry porno.
it cost $20 to join?! I’m out
Yep, I can’t spend the money now, which is probably true for a lot of people, and I’m definitely gonna forget this is a thing by the time it’s free or I have the money, which is probably true for a lot of people.
I’d still be hesitant if they paid me 20$ to join.
Sounds like a grift.
people start using “tweet” and “twitter” again
I never stopped
No one else did either
I called it X-twitter. I didn’t really use “tweet” though; mostly because I tend to talk about toots more than tweets.
I tend to talk about my toots after I eat a can of spicy chili beans right out the can
Are we sure it’s not mostly still bots on Twitter? I deleted my account back then and have not been back.
At least, not willingly back, since some people still hyperlink to Twitter directly rather than just sharing screenshots of whatever the content was. So you click the text hyperlink thinking it’s to a web article, only for it to bring you to some random string of tweets visibly displayed in the least logical order.
Oh I’m positive it’s mainly bots and morons on x
what what term do people use for tweets on shitter now? just “posts”?
x-crete
Xhit
Tweets
Dude reread that post.
“I hope this takes off and makes the Nazi platform irrelevent….but not for $20. I’m okay with Nazis for $20.”
Given that it’s charging an entry fee right now, and is VC backed and corpo controlled…
Probably a fash - or at least neoliberal - app already. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy, no more and no less.
Let them eat eachother.
I’m poor.
Same. I’m not calling you cheap. I’m pointing out that saying $20 to pop a Nazi’s balloon shouldn’t be an offensive ask.
Yeah, everyone is outraged at being a product when using free services, but then also outraged at paid ones.
I’m a bit suspicious of how they want to implement scoring, I feel like it’s either going to be gamed by users or rigged by owners, but otherwise it looks fine as an idea and as a replacement for xitter
I hope that Mastodon takes off and makes the Nazi platform irrelevant. For free. Independently of corporate and investor goodwill.
$20 isn’t just $20 in most countries around the world.
For some it is more than they can make in a month. Tho those people probably never seen the Internet.
