That’s called slave labour. Here you go again USA.
They’ve just re-instituted slavery.
It never went away, they just eliminated private ownership.
Prisons are privately owned, no?
Only a small minority. Private prisons are no doubt a problem, but the vast majority of prisons in the USA are publicly owned
They may be “public “ but they all funnel millions to the Epstein class and corrupt politicians through contracts on everything
History shows the pendulum swings both ways. The fast and more violently the swing to the right, well, political physics has some incredible lessons to teach.
If a person has a criminal conviction for homelessness, how likely they are to pass the background check with that conviction?
It feels like poor->homeless->convict->unemployable->indentured servant is the expected career transition.
It’s been known for 50+ years that incarcerating a person is the most criminogenic you could do to them. It increases crime. It solves none of the problems it uses to nominally justify its existence
Can I have some sources? I believe what you just said but the studies might actually say something slightly different.
Source is a college course from 20 years ago 😭 so I don’t recall specifics, but the idea is that prisons don’t so much as reduce crime as contain it, or shift it around.
I’m not sure you’d see that in reported crime stats in an area though
What I wonder about is how long would it take the modern right wingers to embrace mass forced labor for people in distress?
Yea in this case it would only make things bad. But maybe murderers and rapists deserve to be locked away.
Some people need to be kept away from others for their safety yeah, but a high security medical facility is a better place for them.
How does 16k permanently house and feed someone? Is that yearly cost? Where?
Mass housing dorms, basic shared facilities and cheapest tasteless grub for a person for 16k yep would work. Also I doubt any of them would reject volunteer labor or learning vocational crafts so they can survive have roof and warm food.
I have a family member who chooses to live homeless and after many years of being around him and others in the homeless community I can tell you that many would reject this. On a positive note, some would welcome it.
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Prison (hell #1) and homelessness (hell #2): the two whips of the capitalist state to lash us into wage labour slavery. “No underpaid job can be too bad to accept, or do you want to risk not be able paying your exorbitant rent, risk to become homeless? Sell your labour for the lowest price so some capitalist can make 2-3 times the profit of what you gain, which is bareley enough to pay another capitalist your rent.” This is what the capitalist state enforces by holding up these two hells. We don’t have a prison system by accident, homelessness is not a natural phenomenon. They exist by design. It’s not about the money that prisons cost in comparison to what housing a homeless person costs. The money for prisons is a fair price to pay for a capitaliat state given the MUCH larger sum of money that its capitalist class can extract of us by making us obedient and doing the even shittest job for the shittest pay to suck the most possible surplus out of our work. Become communist. Sabotage. Seize the means of production. Be a grain of sand in this machine.
In the country with some of the most gruesome history of slavery in human history, it feels pretty disingenuous to call waged labour slavery. This feels like the stock standard yankee settler aspirational landholder bunkum to me
It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.
Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.
Joseph Stalin, 1936
You’re quoting Stalin (banger quote, btw) and you’ve not heard of the idea of wage slavery?
The only difference as compared with the old, outspoken slavery is this, that the worker of today seems to be free because he is not sold once for all, but piecemeal by the day, the week, the year, and because no one owner sells him to another, but he is forced to sell himself in this way instead, being the slave of no particular person, but of the whole property-holding class. For him the matter is unchanged at bottom, and if this semblance of liberty necessarily gives him some real freedom on the one hand, it entails on the other the disadvantage that no one guarantees him a subsistence, he is in danger of being repudiated at any moment by his master, the bourgeoisie, and left to die of starvation, if the bourgeoisie ceases to have an interest in his employment
-Engels
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/ch05.htm
The slave is sold once and for all; the proletarian must sell himself daily and hourly.
The individual slave, property of one master, is assured an existence, however miserable it may be, because of the master’s interest. The individual proletarian, property as it were of the entire bourgeois class which buys his labor only when someone has need of it, has no secure existence. This existence is assured only to the class as a whole.
-Engels, again
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
They do it so people like you think it’s okay
The South loves slavery, more at 11. This is why the US should have punished the Confederacy as the treason it was instead of coddling them.
I just wish President Grant had punished the South more during Reconstruction but it wasn’t that popular at the time unfortunately and his corrupt administration certainly did not help.
How do they even tell if you’re homeless? It seems like a pretty fallible conviction to ruin someone’s life… Like what if your bus got delayed?
… have you not seen/been around homeless? It’s pretty clear, hygiene has taken a nose dive is probably the biggest indicator.
So you want cops to base things off of profiling?
Yeah, why don’t these guys just stop being poor and homeless?
/s
Just sell some stock and buy a house, duh. Oh, hey, I’ve just been offered a Cabinet position. Why would a Head-Up Display need a secretary though?
All of America’s laws are based on what puritanical, religious losers want.
Yeah, like the Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act, or the right to remain silent, or title 9. Those are all what the religious losers want.
They’re literally teaching the Bible in schools now
The post-Civil War south is why we have the prison labor system we have. Abraham Lincoln was too busy being dead to stop defacto slavery being implemented to the benefit of the loosing side.
Not disagreeing, but can I get a source for those figures?
$66,000 to incarcerate someone
Caveat to this. It looks like the number is actually closer to 45-50ish thousand. $66,000 seems to be closer to the cost of caring for the aging incarcerated population.
$16,000 to feed and house someone
Stop upvoting twitter/x posts you idiots, write the thing yourself
What do you mean write it yourself? What good is that?
What good is sharing content from the platform owned by a trillionare nazi? “write it yourself” means that you can just write the same statement @fuckyouiquit made on X without having to share his tweet.
Permanently house and feed someone? $16,000 seems quite a bit too low. That might cover food alone I would imagine, depending on the person’s age. More so if it’s like a 30 year old less so if they are 60.
Checked for France, cost goes between 12k€ to 17k€ per year. It includes housing, food, management.
Source here: https://www.senat.fr/rap/r20-632/r20-6326.html
Yes that is annually but post says “permanently” which I take to mean for multiple years not annually.
It’s more like it costs more money than that to allow someone to be homeless, since they’ll be more likely to use emergency services and such.
$16K is actually not too far off from what I spend yearly on feeding and housing myself in Seattle. Remember that most housing costs in this country are dramatically inflated by rent (aka landlord greed).
Remember that homeless/unemployed people are likely to qualify for Medicaid and other benefits
Yeah $16k annually sounds about right. But they say “permanently” which I read as $16k total not annually.
I assume they mean in Louisiana
The Government of Putin are masters of cheap labor. That’s why the fucknuts rarely send ICE to rural red counties.
When I was in junior high I asked someone what the difference was between a republican and a democrat. They said republicans create jobs for the homeless, while democrats just want to give them money. It didn’t make much sense until about 10 years later.
But now, the fight homelessness by just making it illegal…
