Okay, but multiplayer indie games, everything from Mecha Chameleon to Pratfall to Yap Yap to many more like them, are hits. Even if just temporarily, these games have had a huge impact on the multiplayer scene. Friends and strangers coming together to play games that are relatively cheap compared to their triple AAA counterpart, while also having a lot of fun over the wacky physics, nonsense, and/or trolling that may occur.
You don’t need cross-game features when you have people you hardly know and fun friend games like any of the above mentioned and maybe a discord call if y’all ain’t in the same room.
Sweeney seems to have forgotten that discord already exists to facilitate cross-game voice chat. Maybe games shouldnt be anything more than the game itself. Just a thought
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TIM FUCKBOY SWEENY DETECTED, COMMENCING CONTRACTUAL MOCKERY: Is Tim still begging people to stop “gate keeping” Mecha Hitler (grok) despite it being used to generate weird pictures of children and nudes of people without their consent? I don’t care if you have the solution to world hunger Tim, keep your mouth shut. God I fucking hate this guy.
Because almost every game has timegated content nowadays so that studios can try to milk their playerbase more.
So now, multiplayer games feel like a chore if you want to access the cool event.
Many games feel like gacha now for real. Curse that genre for bringing this plague upon us.
My guilty pleasure was playing Fallout 76, but the seasons and predatory monetizing put me off.
That’s exactly why I stopped playing Fortnite, it started feeling more like a chore than a game. I didn’t feel like I was rewarded for participating, but being punished for not participating.
Timegated content is the worst, it just creates FOMO
I could never get much into online gaming because it’s a full time job keeping up with the meta and if you are not highly skilled you are just cannon fodder.
I’ll stick to single player games. And for the most part, I’m just playing retro games these days.
Modern games kinda suck half the time. Only good things I’ve played in modern times are the resident evil remakes and some indie stuff.
I could never get much into online gaming because it’s a full time job keeping up with the meta and if you are not highly skilled you are just cannon fodder.
Some, yes, but certainly not all of them.
I’ve been playing The Finals and it’s a great casual game. I think I average like 6 hours a week or something. The matches are short, toxicity is low and its fun. Most of its player-base are casuals, a lot of console players. And it’s designed in a way that even if you have bad teammates or lose you can still have a lot of fun since the main game-mode is 3v3v3 or 3v3v3v3, has fun movement and a completely destructible environment. Just blowing shit up is enough enjoyment on its own.
This is pretty much why I don’t play multiplayer games, you’re either uber 1337 MLG, or you’re fucked. No inbetween, and constant losses aren’t fun.
That’s why I enjoyed TF2 for such a long time. While teamwork will always give you an advantage in matches, you will nearly never find it on public matches and people just do their own thing, and occasionally see a push forming and join in to get further. It also helps that the TTK in TF2 is much longer than in other team based multiplayer games, and you spawn back into it within 10 seconds or so.
Sadly there are so few games that follow that formula of goofy fun and rather just try to make games that are “strategic” or “competitive”, which sucks majorly.
Conga line is the goat of all features
Even earlier than that there was the killbind. Nothing beats your teammate or opponent finding you in an unfortunate or unexpected moment, taunting as you killbind shortly before they killbind themselves.
Modern games kinda suck half the time.
I’ve said this before in other threads, but here I go… What’s popular right now is battle royale shooters, and that’s a shame, because battle royale shooters all suck. And yes Epic, you are largely to blame, as you make one of the most popular entries in this terrible genre.
If there’s any worse game mechanic than frantic inventory management while under fire, I have yet to see it. At least in chess boxing they pause to take their turns between rounds.
Also, winning feels good, I think most people would agree with that. But if the game hosts 100 players with teams of 4, that means 4% of players get to “win”. Compare to CoD or Overwatch, where in most game modes 50% of players get to win.
And just as a side note, I don’t think Epic has solved anything with some new voice chat system. Because it’s not new, discord already exists, steam already has integrated voice chat.
Lol like thats the only possible axis or lens to view a game through.
Battle Royale shooters got more popular then traditional team deathmatch games for their inherent pacing.
Battle Royale games always involve these dynamic phases where sometimes you’re looting, sometimes you’re exploring, sometimes your battling, sometimes you’re sneaking up on people.
That naturally creates the kind of varied encounters that games like Halo or Cod only got through randomizing game modes, and rather then only having downtime between matches to talk with your friends online, there is natural downtime built into segments of each scenario when you’re exploring and looting.
By all means don’t let me yuck your yum. I get that it’s a popular genre, that people really like these games, and that’s legit.
But it’s kinda like, well imagine you’re a huge basketball fan and you’re really into football too. But over the last 10 years most of ESPN’s programming has shifted over to auto racing, which bores you to tears. And hey, that’s fine if you like auto racing, but now it’s legitimately hard to find any basketball or football content.
Anyway, my point is, it’s just a sucks to see the industry dominated by something you don’t really care for.
Also, just having a shared voice chat is not the same as playing a game together and talking about it.
I really feel like Tim does not understand the market.
Oh, he gets the market alright, he just doesn’t give a fuck about the client-base.
To each their own, but i enjoyed every second of my several years playing PUBG. It’s the same hook as Ironman style high paranoia solo games like Project Zomboid or many others. High stakes, ambient stress, and extremely quick and sudden failures that hone your instinct for next time. I enjoy single player games and many other genres as well for different reasons/goals. I dont think the royale/extraction genres are just fundamentally faulted like you suggest
In Battle Royales I don’t think people think they are losing until they die. Compared to Over Watch and CoD where you can feel you are losing early on. I think that’s the hook for a lot of people, basically a winning feeling the majority of the time.
The hook for me is the lack of respawn numbness. Something about insta respawn shooters just turns my brain off and lulls me into boring mental stagnation as I throw myself on the gears. It’s the high longer term stakes that are the interesting part. Failing in the heat of the short moment, and thinking back on what you mightve done better. But you’ll never experience that exact situation again, so you just try to carry your lessons forward. It’s a different pacing that keeps things novel and memorable
I just booted up God of war for the hundredth time
Maybe it’s because a lot of new games coming out today are buggy, micro transaction filled pieces of crud?
but have you thought about convincing your friends to ignore that to make Epic more money?
You forgot poorly optimized and the idiotic anti cheat engines.
Poorly optimised is also extra bad in today’s climate, where the cost of hardware is just through the roof. People simply can’t afford a new, more powerful computer.
That too
Exactly Everyone i knew was excited for killing floor 3 but it wasnt what eas promised so we just dropped it.
Ark 2 never even came out.
Dune needed ark server manager like feature.
I could go on but point is games not delivering what previous games had. So why bother.
Too right! The only game I’m excited for is Tomb Raider: Legacy Of Atlantis… And even then I dread they will find some way to bork that up and ruin it.
“We think giving the players funny hats that cross over will make them play Fortnite more.”
Big Monty Python’s Meaning of Life energy here.
Have you considered, hear me out, that some players just hate playing with other players, because being insulted breaks immersion?
All the other micro transaction fuckery you do on top just makes it yet more unappealing.
It’s an issue in US and EU servers. The Deadlock community in particular rn is upset with voip racism and general chat harassment.
Really disappointing to be a gamer sometimes but weirdly enough the Asian servers are very chill for most games. Tf2, cs2, Deadlock - very little flaming or racism just people calling each other “noobs” at times. If you have any ability and ping is reasonable give Asian servers a shot.
Thanks, but I’m a single player kind of person.
I find it weird that people prefer staying home to avoid talking to strangers, only to jump into MMOs with a crowd of abusing strangers.
Gamers are the biggest reason for the decline of the games industry. Entitled half-aware idiots demanding features that give them bigger and bigger hits of dopamine have driven the entire industry into the ground. The celebration of toxicity in the community hasn’t helped a damn thing, either.
Or maybe not everyone wants another FPS with gamble boxes?
I still have a 1k usd cs2 knife from a random lucky box. Kinda feels good so I can see how people get really into it.
How the fuck am I suppose to make new friends when I can’t consistently connect with people unless they are already my friend? This wasn’t a problem back when games were mostly on dedicated servers where the same groups would hang out consistently, day after day, so you’d actually get to know people.
Yeah, you used to get to know the players and come back to certain servers because of the community around them. There was one TF2 server I played on for a while that had a guy who played exclusively melee Heavy with extremely throttled Internet, causing him to teleport around. You don’t get guys like Magical Fisting Heavy anymore.
I played TF2 from release, to the month they implemented matchmaking. Technically they left the ability to host and join specific servers, but those emptied and never came back. I was now essentially only allowed to pay with strangers.
I joined again for the Halloween event, thinking my tradition of playing hours of Mann Manor could still be enjoyed at least. After all, it was a special event, and I knew others would join the 24/7 Manor servers like they had every year, just like me.
Nope. They were all empty. Everyone still only joined matchmaking. I miss my server-friends. Mostly it was just acquaintances, but sometimes I’d make a real long-term friend after we’d find eachother at an event IRL.
As is almost always the case, the algo that optimizes, doesn’t optimize for what I want or need, it optimizes for what an unfeeling corp “needs”. I want less downtime, sure, but not at the cost of meaning.
Just needed no sbmm, can’t rematch against the same ppl anymore
For real. Everyone already has their friend group, their clique, whatever. They often say they are open and welcoming, and sometimes are for a while. They don’t try to get to know the newcomer, regale then with stories of their already set in stone group, and make promises they have no intention of keeping. Newcomer leaves, and they don’t even notice or care to reach out, and if they do, it’s purely performative and there’s no follow through because they already have their group.
You can still do that in many games.
It’s just organized unofficially in Discord groups. And… yeah, Discord is mandatory :(
It is impossible to satirize this guy
Lmfao. Watch Tim Sweeney get brought up, and watch some PC gamer claim he’s the devil because he had the audacity to create a second launcher and pay for exclusives.
Epic spent a massive amount of their Fortnite money on lawsuits to break up the iOD and Google Play monopolies.
And while doing so, still offer their top tier engine for reasonable costs to third parties.
And Tim Sweeney personally spends most of his money on buying up land for conservation, but yeah, he’s totally the devil for making you install a second launcher to play some games.
Damn it, who anthropomorphized satire and let it run a company!?
My question is…how are they still in business???
he gives free onion article advice.
Until Tim Sweeney does something about Tim fucking Sweeney I am good thanks.
Lmfao you mean spending his personal fortune on land conservation and spending much of epic’s on breaking up monopolies that harm everyone?
Oh wait, I’m sorry, I forgot, he also made you install a second launcher, and since you were mildly inconvenienced by not being able to deep throat Gabe 30%, you thought Tim Sweeney was the devil?
No mostly I mean when he acts like a bellend.
Maybe consider some of us just want to play with friends and/or spouses or partners.
Reintroduce LAN play and locally hosted multiplayer servers. IDGAF about playing with randos, I just want to play with my wife, and I’d prefer it to not be something that can shut down because the company went broke or didn’t care anymore.
Yeah, nothing will help attract players like diluting any weak identity it already had with an open deluge of metaverse slop. Everything will be everything. It’s not enough to have a product anymore, it has to be a whole ecosystem. God forbid a single bloody dollar slip through your grasp.
