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    It’s not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than “not Trump”. When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.

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      It’s wasn’t “not Trump”. It was NOT FASCISM. That people STILL don’t understand this, while further entrenching themselves within faulty logic bodes poorly for the future.

      America will be remembered as a cautionary tale on not leaning from history…

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          A win doesn’t mean shit unless it’s backed up by the promises made, and progress is the result. All winning doesn’t is start the clock.

          He’s going to need to prove himself. And if he does. And the democrats don’t notice- we will deal with that then. Right now is not time time to suffer illusions.

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            As long as we’re paying attention to those who can imagine a different future, then we’re at the same table.

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              The difference is being able to tell from one’s imagination, and one’s capability. It’s the same as how people have come to assume ‘potential’ and ‘actual’ mean the same thing. They’re not, and believing that they are is how we ended up here. Because at a the end of this path, lies the mindset that good is the enemy of perfect.

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                My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.

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                  And my point is- we don’t know if he’s good. So far he’s said a lot of good things. That’s it. Hopefully he can make it happen, but a big part of the problem we’re having here is there’s an entire group of disillusioned people that think any untested wet-behind-the-ears candidate is our only hope. This is where idealism is being faulted. Because the question to ask is:

                  At what point is “not Trump” worse than “not a democrat”?

                  Both are based on an absence of what we dislike, yet neither are based on any amount of things we do.

                  Those that voted against the fascist did the right thing. They took the best of the worst situation and ran with it without looking back, where if they did- all they’d see is a bunch of disillusioned idealist’s middle finger.

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                    It is silly to think we can’t learn lessons on how Mamdani won because he hasn’t exercised the office yet. This isn’t about how you did that right thing and voted against fascism that one time. This is about winning power, and if that is too idealist for you then I don’t know what else to say other than I’ll see you on the campaign trail.

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      Don’t be mistaken, Mandani’s win is not America’s win, it’s NY win. America as a whole is way more stupid and way more evil than that. Hell, even broad democratic voters are worse than that, Bernie lost popular vote on primaries twice afterall.

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      It was not just “not Trump”, it was “not insane”, and not threatening to tear down democracy and destroy healthcare and the economy. It was business as usual over sociopathy.
      The choice should have been clear. But too many Americans are sociopaths, and chose to really stick it to the minorities until they die. Americans voted for Trump not despite he is a sociopath, but because of it. Americans want revenge for their lousy lives more than they want to improve things for everybody.
      The Dems won other places than New York.

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        It was “not Trump, status quo.” Nobody but the rich liked the status quo, but anybody who’s not an idiot knew it was MUCH, MUCH BETTER than…well, what we have now.

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      When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up.

      I’d like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there’s more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.

      Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly “offer an alternative like Mamdani”. They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only “offered” thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.