Valmond

I can live with that 😁

Lol that’s not how you argue in good faith, but sure let’s stop this sterile pissing contest.

Bye.

Followed up with:

we cannot prove consciousness (except our own of course) so it’d be you who must prove it can be implemented in a turing machine. Not me.

So yeah I think humans have it, but we cannot prove anyone else than ourselves do.

2017: Lucifer

They should have started out cooler IMO!

Any idea about 2026? I’m living through the second here.

Dude where did I say we (humans) have quala?

Nowhere.

I do think most of us do, but that there is absolutely no real proof of it.

Now who’s moving the goalpost with that eh.

Do feel free to stop wasting my time anytime you like.

I personally suppose humans all (or 99%+, there are always statistical outliers) have a consciousness actually, but that doesn’t mean I can use it as a fact when making an argument. For example, if you do use it as a fact, then why doesn’t monkeys have a consciousness, pigs, cats, muskitoes, trees, planks, too, etc etc etc.

Math is based on the idea that 1+1=2 and you take that as granted. I can live with that, it seems reasonable. All humans have a consciousness? Not accepting that if you infer that just because a machine can mimic a human brain, it thus also will have even the possibility to have a consciousness.

Do you think a machine can have a quala, the experience we “experience” because we have a consciousness?

Let’s fire up a peace pipe with tobacco then!

/j

That makes it probable I guess, but it absolutely does not prove it. We cannot prove humans are conscious (except ourselves).

Except we have quala, consciousness. That’s a well recognised fact. How do you model something we cannot explain?

So yeah there are “indications” we cannot do it. Maybe we can and emerging properties is the way to go, but it might also not be that.

Do you believe we can?

Edit: the chinese room is a farce IMO, and won’t push anything either way.

Totally, and cheaper, well I guess my 3TB, 4TB (under 100€ each) and finally 2TB SSD (200€?) will be the last for a long time lol!

What a moronic take, we cannot prove consciousness (except our own of course) so it’d be you who must prove it can be implemented in a turing machine. Not me.

I’m a lurker, I potentially comment but usually there is not much to add when the pros have posted, so if I’d try to promote my secure, takedownsafe P2P sharing protocol (if people started using it, everyone could have a web-space, backups, a “drop-box”, an online presence, and more), it’d be kicked?

I’m just trying to understand where I am, the overall rule is completely understandable.

Bought a 256GB ssd for like 320€ in around 2011 (maybe 2012) so there’s that.

Exactly!

Except … consciousness!

I don’t care :-) please do more lists like this!

Can I join your dream?

As a senior c/c++ expert I hope it comes true but somehow I doubt it 😔.

I’m a bit out of the loop, are they collapsing right now?

Fair question, so I’ll pop another one, what about a banking app?

Pro level post.

Thank you, very insightful!