EDIT: Why was this post removed? 🤔
Unwittingly had ‘sex’ with a child, realised it was a child, had ‘sex’ a second time.
And wrote a song about it. And then wrote it into his autobiography.
How this man apparently skated through the #MeToo movement unscathed is truly baffling.
Oh, and besides that, I’m only fourteen
So we had sex one more time
Yeah at first it was him having sex unknowingly with a 14-yo. But dude had sex with her again after learning she was 14 and wrote a song about it. Wtf
You don’t unknowingly have sex with a 14yo. I don’t think I’ve met any that could pass for an adult. You have to be at least complacent with having sex with minors for that to happen and you not at least consider that they’re too young.
I’ve known a bunch of 14-yos who manages to get into bars and to buy alcohol even from state alcohol stores where they’re really strict because people thought they were (at least) 18-yo. A 14-yo managing to get people to think they are 18 (or whatever the age of consent was there at the time) isn’t the hard to believe thing about this story imo, but with the situation described here, the scrutiny over someone’s age might’ve not been all that thorough.
Having sex with her again and writing a song about it after knowing she is 14 though, what the fuck
Yeh I know twenty something year old women who can still look like they are 15 years old if they dress and do their hair and makeup like a 15 year old. Guess the reverse is also true.
While I’m a guy so the rules ain’t quite the same but when I was 14 I could easily grab scratchers since I had a full stache a patchy but pretty far along beard. I looked like a baby faced 18 or 19 year old when in reality I hit puberty right fucking early at 8.
Yo I got hit on by a granny…
I was a doorman at a nightclub in the UK in the 90s. Believe me, there are young teens that can totally pass for adults. You’d be blind to think otherwise. We had to ID almost everyone. Conversely there were many 18 year olds that looked like literal children.
Well, mistakes were made, it’s regrettable but understandable.
Reads on
Oh for fucks sake!
Even the first time… she was 14. Have you seen a 14 year old?
I mean they sure look different than 10 years ago. I’d probably have a problem currently between distinguishing 14 year old and 18 years old girl in a lot of cases, and cases like this is is why I am not interested really in dating anyone younger than like 23.
Also I went back to university at age of 29, and most people looked like kids to me at first, but I get used to it, and they all seem very smart, each of them in different way, so that’s a plus.
Do you really think there are any “rock stars” that did NOT fucked a minor?
Yes, lots of them. Most adult men have no interest in sex with children regardless of the presence of consequences.
Every woman remembers the day they turned 18 and suddenly so many adult men started showing interest.
But 17 and 354 days, no
Gotta draw the line somewhere
Yup. It all starts at 18 not at 11/12.
I’ve talked to so many women who around the age of 14 started getting cat called and essentially mourn their childhood innocence from that moment on. It’s really sad.
14? Try 11/12.
I was 12. It stopped when I was slightly over 20.
Try a lot younger and it’s a lot worse than cat calls
Well glad you speak for every woman.
Someone has to do it. The comment was an obvious /s though. (And if so is yours, I’m sorry.)
I am a woman. a lot of men don’t think 14 is children. You can hate me but I know mine and many other woman experiences in life and I’ll tell you most men woild 100% fuck a 15/16yo easy
You go from “a lot” to “most” as if they mean the same thing. They don’t.
Many enough to make someone feel it’s most, apparently. Which is an experience that shouldn’t be so readily dismissed.
Yes, of course your feelings are the most valid kind of data that exists. Good point.
How would you measure this? Set up an Gynoid that looks like a teenage girl and records all interaction with men?
If you have no data, and cannot measure it, what else is there but the lived experience of many people.
And even if you had data to prove it’s a small minority of men being creeps towards teenage girls, isn’t it still relevant how that is perceived by said teenagers as they grow up?
So to recap: Your claim is “all rock stars are child molesters” and your proof is “how dare you question that women have bad experiences with men!”
Plus the amount of porn where the fantasy is about having sex with a teenager is endless.
Right? The barely legal thing is fucked up
The men shall decide which of your lived experiences are valid!
I can’t help but think these people are trying to downplay their sexual attraction to children by pretending every person they’ve oogled was definitely an adult.
I’m a man, and most women think it’s okay to have sex with underaged boys. Damn, looks like a stalemate.
Most adult men are not rock stars though.
Yes of course there are. What a monumentally stupid thing to say.
really? I think you live in a rainbow world. Guess yoi’re a man
Seriously. I wouldn’t be surprised if rock stars in the 80s bragged about how many teen girls they fucked on tv. And then everyone watching would nod along and think “yes, of course. That is what rock stars do.”
This is just a big fucking lol of a comment.
God I hope there are
How the fuck does that excuse anything?
Its forgivable that a 20 year old might accidentally end up in this situation, not having realised that she was only 14 until she said so…
But you know what a normal person does when they realise they just accidentally had sex with someone underage?
They take them back home to their family and apologise profusely. They don’t have sex with them a second time round! That truly is some child predator behaviour right there.
Wasn´t he on heroin back in that day? Doesn´t excuse it of course, but don´t expect any mindful behaviour that respects the physical and psycological wellbeing of anyone around them from an addict.
Edit: Yeah nah, disregard that. I just read up on his bio on Wikipedia, it´s a pattern.
Well he was already doing drugs at 12 years old because his parents were drug dealers and that shit was just around him all the time.
his dad let anthony fuck his much older girlfriend when he was 12 as well
Okay, in that case his behavior is actually an improvement over theirs. Still not good by any means but damn, what the hell.
yeah Anthony Keidis had a pretty fucked up life, theres another story of a naked Cher sleeping in a bed with Anthony, also when he was around 12
scar tissue is well worth a read regardless of how you feel about the band and Keidis. its a harrowing tale of addiction
Daaaaamn
Should have been a massive red flag when he found out she attends a catholic girls school… “Student at a catholic girls school” does not at all say “this is a fully grown adult woman” in any language. That didn’t give him any pause at all, so I’m not that surprised when a paragraph later he is explicitly told she is underage and his only real concern is getting caught by the chief of police father…
I mean those schools have 18 year olds and most classes will have at least one person who’s 19 when they graduate. A 20 year old starting a relationship with someone in those ages isn’t exactly alarming.
That’s not at all what happened here though.
Apologize profusely? I think I’d have had a heart attack and died right there and then on the spot. The word “horrified” doesn’t begin to describe it. And this ain’t even virtue signaling. I am literally just describing live what I’m feeling after having read your comment.
I would not have been able to right that wrong. I’d have been puking and fainting in the bathroom.
Edit: And yes, I’m taking “20” into consideration. When I went off to college a switch flipped in my head that said “I am an adult” and everyone younger than me is not. Some people seem to not have that switch. Kiedis defo doesn’t have it.
Edit 2: No, really, honestly, I swear I’m not one of those “He’s 40 and she’s 30?! What a pedophile” people. I mean all this. Not being overdramatic
Oh I get you. I never said I wouldn’t also be having a panic attack upon finding out what I’d accidentally just done either…
But I can with certainty tell you for damn sure that Kiedis’ reaction was the WRONG reaction to have.
Ok, what? When you were 20, how many 14 year olds did you interact with?
I can count exactly 1. It was my (ex) sister in law.
Were you a popular musician at the time too?
the only thing that’s stopping you behaving like this is that you don’t have the opportunity?
??
why does it matter that Kiedis is a popular musician?
Because popular musicians meet a lot more people than your average person. Did you even read the preceding comment??
Ok, what? When you were 20, how many 14 year olds did you interact with?
I can count exactly 1. It was my (ex) sister in law.
A lot of people in this thread are self- reporting without realizing.
Pretty fucked up accusation. You might want to read the rest of the coversation I had.
Lol yep
Heaps. I part timed as a bouncer/medic at a club when I was 21 and there were heaps of girls below 16/18 trying to get in. Actually one of the reasons I was hired was because I normally used to be fairly good at recognising these and their fake IDs and as the youngest member of the team at least some of them as younger sisters of my friends.
And nevertheless I had two occasions were it was a “close call”. Once I chatted with a girl who stayed till the end and she,well, was, pushing to go to my place - until she made a mistake (can’t remember what she said) and I asked her about her age again(I had before and of course she claimed to be 19). She was indeed 14. SHIT. That was literally one day after we had the cops raid the place for minors and if they would have found her inside it would have cost us 10k at least - or our licence. (In theory in my country age of consent would have allowed “it” between us. But no. Never ever ever.YUK) That was a close. (Imagine me always shitting a brick back then and still feeling nauseated today) But would have never ever suspected her to be younger than me actually.
Other case was a girl very agressively pushing her number onto me, I was busy, so I didn’t care, but tbh, she was pretty and looked definitly 18+x. Responded for a call for medical backup, we need an ambulance to respond. Nothing drastic,just someone overly intoxicated. …next thing I can here my colleague from the ambulance screaming at someone in front of the toilets. …It was the girls mother -she worked nights and her 15 year old daughter thought it was a good idea to go out with a friend-. Funny enough my shiftleader was mortified as they had texted pretty flirty before - she had definitly made it inside a few times. (I think she claimed to be a uni freshman,which are all above 18 in my country)
(And fuck,our national IDs were so easy fake back then. Luckily that’s 20 years ago)
I am fairly sure that I never had anything going with someone younger than 16 after I turned 17, but fuck… The first one was a really close call,the second one coud have been. I would have never ever suspected their age. I am so happy that the universe did not let that happen.
Anyway: Even if someone gets tricked: Why on earth would they go for another round.
PS: Funny enough it goes the otherway around as well: A female friend of mine looks,well, like she is barely 14. She once was my trainee paramedic and I got regularly stopped by cops for letting an alleged minor drive the ambulance. (She was 20 at that time). Nowadys she is over 40, has two kids, is a chief physician and tbh, still looks bloody young and it’s often a nightmare for her with some patients.
Heaps, I played magic the gathering. Didn’t fuck any kids tho.
In my work, plenty. And I can fairly confidently say that telling someone’s age by their looks isn’t always easy.
Which is to say that it isn’t an entirely unrealistic scenario, and could be forgiven if one actually tried to remedy the situation upon learning of their mistake, rather than going for a second turn (yuck)
having sex with an underage girl twice is bad enough but the fact that he, as a famous person, wrote about it in a book because he knew there would be no reprecussions for him…
He wrote that autobiography when the band was still in its prime, and about 20 years before the metoo movement. That part of the autobiography did raise some eyebrows but for the most part the world looked the other way. Just like everyone looked the other way when Steven Tyler, David Bowie, Jerry Lee Lewis etc all did similar & worse things with minors.
Wait what did David Bowie do?
Just after he died a famous groupie whose name I can’t recall claimed to have been involved in a threesome with Bowie when she was underage. IIRC the third party in the threesome who was another groupie also claimed the first groupie wasn’t there, so who knows.
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I’d like to know too.
We demand the Bowie Files.
Probably one of the “baby groupies”, super ick, poor things
Unless the “victim” comes foward and reports him of rape its unlikely anything will happen.
I don’t know who she is or what her circumstances are but I was a teenage girl when Red Hot chili peppers were smoking hot in their prime and I would not have been mad then or now if they had made a muse of me when I was 14. Just sayin’!! 😉
Yea, I think that part is the worst. The fact that he still talks about it nonchalantly is gross.
He does not still talk about it. For years if it’s ever mentioned in interviews he prefers not to talk about it because he says he’s already said enough. He regrets he ever mentioned it in his autobiography.
He regrets that he mentioned it?
I am sorry I confessed to a sex! Leave me alone!
Man, this again? Isn’t it bad enough that i really really regret ever confessing to raping an underaged girl?
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By “still talks“, I mean, still talks in his autobiography, which was written years upon years later, when he was already supposedly sober and probably in his early 40s.
Here’s the thing though: he did mention it in his autobiography, which was written years later after this event happened. And his tone was still nonchalant. So whether he “regrets” ever mentioning it or not, it still doesn’t change the way with which he wrote about it when he was already in his early 40s.
*yeah, not yea or nay. It isn’t a vote.
It’s very presidential and not really a problem in america.
It’s always the ones you most suspect
How you can you suspect the angel who wrote these lyrics? \s
Ba dang dang bang dong wank dinga dinga booga boog dang winga…
This is a very good way for a lot of terrible people to fly completely under the radar. There isn’t a(n accurate) ‘child molester’ stereotype—you do victims no favor by making assumptions like these.
That book is written like my fourth grade English assignment. (I’m German)
Who ghost wrote that book?
A German 4th grader.
Absolutely! I hear people saying about how good this autobiography is.  But I don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. It’s written in such a flat tone, it sounds like he was bored himself while writing it. 
Sometimes it’s not the quality of the text, but the events and the revealings making these books “so good” for many people.
I get it. And I think that’s what it was for people. But I still don’t fully “get” it because it was like any other rock stars autobiography: debauchery, sex, drug use. I guess people like reading about those.
If he admitted to this in a book, imagine the shit he’s done that he hasn’t come out yet. Ugh.
Ever since i saw that interview of them where they tried to grope and fuck that lady on the air, i was so disgusted that i would never listen to them again. Not that i really did in a long time, but that killed my last desire to care for them at all.
I’ve searched for a video of this but can’t find anything
I honestly couldn’t find the one i was looking for, but apparently i’m not the only one, according to some reddit post.
It was kind of like that, but i remember that at least one of the or all were topless and they all harassed the fuck out of her together
I will try to find it.
I asked myself “how does something so obviously bad for his reputation get in his autobiography?”. I have to presume that raping children was so disgustingly normalised, so tragically banal, that the only reason he brought it up was as a “fun story”, because her father was a police chief and she was reported missing. The fact that she was fourteen was probably only even mentioned to:
- Raise the stakes and make the story more exciting
- Give him some cover (she only told me afterwards)
- Make the story more titillating (and once I knew, I did it again!)
What a complete asshole.
“Molester” is putting it lightly.
If they went after every musician who banged an underage girl on a tour bus, you could put a pro rock band together in every penitentiary.
Then you could have a battle of the bands between rival prisons, which exposes a gambling ring among the guards and wardens, who are trying to rig the results, and in the distraction there’s a prison break, and they escape to freedom over snow covered mountains, led by a friendly singing nun with a guitar…
But I digress. I meant to say, everyone was doing it back then.
It’s only good PR keeping most of these people out of the news for banging kids in the 70s and 80s.
But it’s only really been heavily frowned upon in the last 25 years or so. I never even heard the word paedophile until about 2000 or so, when Sarah Payne got raped and murdered. And I wasn’t the only one. The word was so new to people in the UK, that a paediatrician got attacked by mistake.
If they went after every musician who banged an underage girl on a tour bus, you could put a pro rock band together in every penitentiary.
I would settle for maybe getting every tenth musician and creating some kind of stigma against statutory rape.
But even that seems too much, in a country that wants to spend a trillion dollars bombing Venezuelan fishing boats and lynching legal migrants in concentration camp black sites.
I meant to say, everyone was doing it back then.
They still are. If anything, I’d put money down that its even more common and more industrialized today than it was 30 years ago.
Yes because I’m sure they’re totally not doing it now.,
Musicians are old news. It’s YouTubers now. They start their channel as kids, and ten years later they aren’t kids but their whole audience is. I think kid-fucking is coming back in a big way, sadly.
You’re hilarious if you think kid fucking is ever gone away.
Yeah man, you’ve got to be fucking kidding me. lol sorry.
Way to excuse pedophilia, and when you say back then, it’s not the fucking middle ages where no laws existed against it.
No the dude is attracted to underage girls, she was 14, that is a kid. He fucked a kid and decided to do that again. And bare in mind “back then”, where make up was not promoted to kids, so they actually look like kids. Eat shit bro
where make up was not promoted to kids
WTF, are you from the middle ages? Or, like, live under a rock? “Back then” was the late 80s or early 90s - a fourteen year old that ran away from home to bang a rock star was absolutely wearing make-up.
Yeah, right, I’m defendimg pedophilia? I’m not MAGA.
The make-up thing is weird. Brooke Shields was VERY controversial in the late 70s for appearing sexualized TV commercials, wearing make-up, and tight clothes that were highlighted by camera work that luxuriated over her body, and even appearing naked on camera, when she was only about 12 or 13. It was a big subject of discussion.
I’m not the one who was sexualizing teens back in the 70s and 80s, I was just pointing out that at the time, EVERYBODY knew it was going on, including the cops in every city that every band ever stopped on tour, and NOBODY did anything about it, ever. They still don’t. You don’t think there are still young groupies sneaking backstage today?
Half of anime sexualizes underage girls. Half of advertising too. Lots of cognitive dissonance in our culture. But nobody ever accused the angry masses of being logically consistent.
Dude you are still doing it, he raped a girl, a 14 year is not old enough to consent, its rape.
Of course he did. I’m not disputing that, I’m just saying that it was so prevalent that literally EVERYBODY knew about that entire issue at the time, and generally chose to do next to nothing about it. Just objectively stating a fact, not endorsing the rock star lifestyle.
What? Children have been wearing makeup since the seventies, at least.
“… but I did want to get her the hell back home right away. So we had sex one more time …”
😂
In for a penny…
A lot of the older rockstars from back in the “everyone was doing it” days seem to not have been affected by MeToo. It’s bizarre, to say the least.
It isn’t that bizarre when you consider how poorly enforced these laws are even in the modern day.
Older, wealthier men pursuing sex with teenagers is a tale as old as time. What’s “bizarre” is MeToo, a sporadic and short-lived effort at changing cultural norms spanning centuries, that was snuffed out by the same cadre of older richer men who feel it is their privilege to fuck kids.
We live in a patriarchal plutocracy with a puritanical veneer. Not only was “everyone doing it” but everyone is still doing it. Sean Combs was just convicted of sex trafficking a few months ago and has been shopping around the possibility of a Presidential Pardon. Former Congressman and aspiring AG Matt Gaetz was paying for the dental work of a 17-year-old in exchange for sex and has gone unprosecuted. Bill Gates and Elon Musk remain at large.
The story Kiedis tells is downright wholesome by comparison to the kind of abuse that occurs for the benefit of American sex-tourists in Dominican Republic and Thailand. And go check out the long and sordid history of human trafficking out of Ukraine. The Russia invasion has supercharged exploitation of refugees from the region.
I agree with this statement. Having worked in the music industry back then, i see how it happened. Does not make it right, but minors were lying about their ages, using fake IDs and the like. That coupled with a lot of booze and drugs… I am guessing it may not be talked about because no one can actually remember anything. (slight sarcasm)…
Didn’t Jagger or Tyler like adopt a 13 year old in Eastern Europe
It was Steven tyler. I get him confused with Mick Jagger too because they’re both scrawny wrinkly weird-looking men who open their mouths way too wide.
But Steven Tyler was the one who persuaded the parents of a 13-year-old girl to sign over adoptive custody of her to him, so she became his fuck toy and she eventually got pregnant and Steven went on tour and locked her in an apartment and abandoned her and had the apartment set on fire to try to get rid of the whole problem but she survived and finally started talking about the whole ordeal during the metoo movement.
And around the time she started talking, he conveniently attempted to reinvent himself as a country singer, trying in vain to shift his renewed publicity into a different direction.
Ok, so. Fuck Steven Tyler, he’s a POS and should be in jail. But she was 16, not 13. That situation is still amazingly fucked up though.
I also could not find anything on the fire other than reddit speculation.
Well a lot of the obsession over the exact age of 18 is a modern concept. We think of that as a medieval concept, but nope. You just need to go back to the 70s and 80s.
We can’t just cancel entire genres of music
You cancel the people
What are you suggesting then?
I find that this little program called Jellyfin really helps me separate the art from the artist, lol.
Not that I have any RHCP in my playlist or even on the server.
He was about 22 at the time. I think it’s deemed okay depending on how famous you are. /S
Lori Maddox and all of her buddies were having sex with half of the bands from the 1970’s (there was no law back then I believe) Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, the rolling stones and so on. They were only 13. All written about I believe, some have since been redacted.
But by the time Kiedis was writing songs about having sex with school kids, and by the time he was having sex with school kids, I think it was illegal.
I remember reading about Led Zeppelin when I was getting into them, I must have been about 14 or 15. I didn’t really understand why but that stuff made me uncomfortable, even if I was at an age where I thought of myself (and others my age) as fully understanding adults. I definitely knew it was wrong at the time but I didn’t really understand why, not at that age. Didn’t know about Bowie, that sucks. Crazy how that could be known about someone and it’s not even the first or second concern, it’s a yucky little quirk of history that we ignore.
Even taking a step back, putting the revulsion in a box for a second to take a holistic look at the situation: the way it was written about as normal, and casually known, and practically glorified in the case that OP is referring to, and all of that… I don’t know. Good old days my ass
It sometimes feels like one of the few good constants is how child abuse is considered a grave crime in pretty much every society, but I still feel like there’s a disgusting undercurrent of acceptance for older men leering at and being creepy with young women in particular. I don’t know
EDIT: a quick trip to Wikipedia is showing me a very different tone of writing than I remember. That’s good, but that’s the bare minimum
It sometimes feels like one of the few good constants is how child abuse is considered a grave crime in pretty much every society,
with the exception of every major society in human history
in medieval and early modern-age europe, it was considered normal for wealthy landlords’ children to marry young, for example
- Isabella I of Castile, married at 18
- Ferdinand II of Aragon, married at 17
this might not sound like a lot, but the age of puberty has decreased by about 2 years since 1900 and probably more since the medieval age (i couldn’t find enough data to support this claim). Sources for example here and here
This means what was 16-18 back then would be 14-16 today, if you consider the age of marriage in relation to the age of puberty.
As a general rule, the wealthier the person (or their parents), the sooner they married. Median age of marriage for peasants was around 21-22 years, but for nobles it was more like 16-18. This would correspond to 14-16 today.
And don’t get me started on whatever they have going on in the islamic world.
this might not sound like a lot, but the age of puberty has decreased by about 2 years since 1900 and probably more since the medieval age
That’s a terrifying and incredible thing to learn. I wonder what the cause of this change is. When did it start and when will it end? Its a stat that raises so many fascinating population-scale questions!
i think it has to do with better food and medicine. at least the literature mentions these two reasons as the primary guesses. but nobody knows for sure.
now one could argue that nobles back then probably had good access to food, and the effect might not be as prevalent for them. but they still often caught bad infections as children that might have a significant delay for puberty. because medicine wasn’t as good back then, not even for nobles.
Somehow I doubt Bowie was having sex with young girls. I mean, not impossible, I guess, but it seems unlikely.
Bowie was bi, not gay.
Not that the legality would necessarily be an excuse, but I was curious too so I checked. Kiedis is getting pretty old and has been around awhile, but it would have been illegal in Louisiana throughout his entire lifetime.
Topic aside, the page break is comedy gold.
we had sex one more time
💀
This dude has dated more underage girls than I have fingers. Why do people continue to look the other way?
same way they excuse brad pitts wierd age limit of 25. hes more than likely wanted younger girls.
Leonardo DiCaprio (51), whose girlfriend is 27.
I’m a little grossed out on a personal level (as someone who is “only” 40) at being in a relationship with someone that’s 27. To me we’d be culturally different enough that it would probably bother me.
Though that’s probably less of a factor when the culture you’ve been in for decades is the Hollywood lifestyle, unlike the average person who predominantly hangs around with people close to themselves in ages.
But come The fuck on. The reality is that they’re both consenting adults and can do whatever the hell they want.
Fucking a 14 year old is not even in the same universe as fucking a 27 year old. What are you smoking?
DiCaprio clearly finds women in their mid 20s attractive. Newsflash: most 51 year olds will be attracted to an attractive 27 year old.
I’ve never quite understood the anger at DiCaprio over this. Women in their mid 20s are not children. They have brains. They are more than capable of consenting. Neither are doing anything wrong.
Leonardo DiCaprio fyi
It’s within the realm of possibility!
LOL, that disorder would keep him from answering which one of those women was your waitress, but not was your waitress 14.
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There’s a huge fucking difference between a 20 year old (giving DiCaprio 5 years with the individual before they turn 25) and a 14 year old. A 14 year old has only just developed the ability to think about matters in a non-binary (as in not purely bad or purely good for example) manner, a 20 year old has been able to think that way for nearly a decade. Ones decision making skills are decidedly very poor before about age 25 as the brain is still developing, and that development is still occuring at a breakneck pace at 14 where by 20 it’s slowed significantly. Even if you just look at the years that’s like saying an 8 year old is basically the same as a 14 year old which is obviously not the case.
Now, it’s definitely kinda weird for someone to go for a 20 year old in their 40s. Having a 25 year age gap between you and your partner is honestly some level of weird at any life stage, but at least by 20 they’re an adult legally and mentally. Anyone over the age of 20 is generally able to understand the risks and consequences of their actions, and while some amount of mistakes are understandable both due to poor decision-making skills and lack of life experiences, it’s nowhere near as drastic as a 14 year old left to their own devices
