Americans have grown less proud of their country’s history or the way its democracy works over the past decade, according to a new AP-NORC poll.
Americans’ pride in the U.S. on several key attributes has dropped since 2017 — including the nation’s military and its political influence around the globe — according to the survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. This poll was conducted in April, as the United States and Iran fought over the Strait of Hormuz in a prolonged war that started with the U.S. and Israel launching strikes on Iran.
New Gallup polling also finds that only 53% of U.S. adults are “extremely” or “very” proud to be an American, the lowest reading in the trend dating back to 2001.
Being proud of something you had no part in creating always seemed weird to me.
Write a novel. Perform a song. Win a race. Makes sense to be proud.
Happen to be born someplace? Big fucking deal. Most of the people who go on about being proud of the US are going out of their way to make it worse
I think the idea is if we had a functional democracy we would have a part in creating it.
The lack of patriotism is just more people waking up to the fact that neither Republican nor Democratic politicians give two shits about the American people.
Sports team fans have always been a weird thing to me. Love the sport? Sure, but caring how a team does that you have no influence over is weird.
As I’ve grown older, I’ve given far less fucks about professional sports. The fact of the matter is those people playing on the field are the furthest from a representation of you as an individual as you can find. They are literally millionaires and multi-millionaires from random fucking places all across the country. They have no connection to your city, other than being drafted, traded, or maybe signing and choosing to play there. Additionally, a lot of people who make it in sports are big into faith, and don’t shut the fuck up about it like those douches on the San Francisco Giants recently did on the team’s pride night - offending a shitload of lifetime fans in the process. I guess when you play / coach sports, and everything goes your way in life and you make millions, it’s easier to drink the religious kool aid.
Additionally the number of pro fascist pro athletes lately is too damn high, and it is annoying. Hell, my (former) favorite player on the Raiders - Maxx Crosby outed himself as a chud a couple of years ago after Butler, and it makes it hard to root for the guy. Having said that, I love sports and am competitive by nature, so I continue to watch, but my level of fandom has definitely fallen off a cliff.
“WE WON!!”
You didn’t win anything. You watched highly-trained and compensated professionals win. You got literally nothing out of it.
The emotional buy-in makes it more exhilarating. And it’s really easy to do, the human mind loves to give things an identity and a story. And it satisfies the primal urge to belong to a community. Team sports basically hack your brain in some very satisfying ways.
It gets messy when people with poor emotional regulation rely on the sports feelings.
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Because being a citizen of that country/city means you are inherently responsible for and add to the culture of said country/city. There’s no song, novel, or individual that is created without outside influence and in the vast majority of cases that influence comes from a village/city/country. You literally wouldn’t exist as the person you know if you were born somewhere else.
There’s nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from. It only becomes problematic when it becomes nationalism
This is true but seems irrelevant to the point. You wouldn’t exist without the sun, but no one’s out being proud of the sun.
A lot of the flag waving types I’m thinking of, the maga hats et al, are making the country worse. If only they were responsible (as in, accountable).
Either my point flew over your head like a 737 or you’re just bad at arguing…
If you were born one town, city, or state away from where you were born you’d essentially be a completely different person. Its perfectly reasonable for someone to be proud of where they come from because the overall experience there shaped them as a person in what they consider a net positive.
It’s not “perfectly reasonable” to be proud of that. It’s common, but the whole dispute here is people saying that it is unreasonable.
Many people consider a personal accomplishment of some sort a prerequisite for feeling proud. Being born somewhere is not that. You can see other people in this thread rejecting being proud of a sports team they don’t play for.
(There’s also pride like LGBT pride, but that’s more of an explicit rejection of being told to be ashamed. And surviving while queer is something of an accomplishment.)