It’s particularly bonkers because the bill passed with a veto-proof majority
The bill, called the 21st Century Road to Housing Act, passed 358-32 in the House. The Senate approved it Monday with similarly overwhelming bipartisan support.
So, Trump has zero leverage here. Unless he thinks, somehow, he can convince Republicans to switch sides and vote against a veto override on a bill they already voted for.
This bill is becoming law whether he supports it or not. It’s also quite popular (with everyone who is not in Private Equity). Usually, he bends over backwards to be seen on the popular side of an issue. This makes no sense, even by Trump logic.
In his jello brain this is a power play. He got some recent primary wins, so now he’s going to dare Republicans to defy him on this under the threat of a future primary challenge. The next big election after the midterms will the presidential election where he imagines he’ll be the kingmaker.
I agree I think it’s unlikely enough people are going to bend on this, but with how spineless Republicans have been, it would not surprise me if a whole bunch of them started making noise about it. Jesters dancing for the king.
That is exactly what he will do. And they will fall in line like they always do.
They can remove the dementia fuckstick at any point, but they don’t. Even while he’s at a new all-time low approval, even with Republican voters. And regularly failing at absolutely everything he does now. It’s extremely easy to justify removing him with all these obvious and public fuckups, but they still don’t.
I don’t think they can use the 25th amendment unless Vance is on board. And going into midterms with Acting President Vance might not be any more appealing to the Republicans than sticking with Trump.
This bill is becoming law whether he supports it or not. It’s also quite popular (with everyone who is not in Private Equity).
I don’t buy any Private Equity whining about this, all they need to do is spin up a few corporate shells and they’ll be able to keep each one of them under the limit on single family home ownership, but they’ll still be cashing subsidies for construction and enjoying the gutting of environmental regulations that came with this
The real housing reform we need is more public housing on the market owned and administered by municipal or state governments, anything short of that is just going to be putting money back into the pockets of the land barons
No, I think their complaining and lobbying is a bullshit pretense to keep everyone talking about this legislation that doesn’t solve the problem (and creates a few new ones) instead of talking about policies that would actually do something
While this legislation is bullshit, and clear permit processes and such for these same assholes to bring their bullshit, they will still be opposing it out of principle, you can be sure. These are the most arrogant assholes on the earth.
The President has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to sign the bill, or veto it. If he does neither, the bill takes effect as if he had signed it – as long as Congress is still in session.
A Pocket Veto is when the President doesn’t sign a bill, and Congress is not in session when the 10 day period expires. In that case, the law will not take effect.
But, these days Congress never formally adjourns. Even when they go home, local members still hold formal sessions where nothing is done specifically to keep Congress in session. And I think even this Congress won’t simply adjourn itself because Trump wants it to.
This was also a discussion when Trump nominated idiots like Matt Gaetz, who had no shot of getting confirmed. Trump wanted Congress to adjourn itself, so he could make a Recess Appointment. They declined. If they didn’t roll over then, they won’t now.
I guess this bill passed with a veto proof majority, so there is no pocket veto, but normally, if it passed with like 50 some percent, he could not sign and it would be a pocket veto.
That’s basically it, but the complex version is that if someone is appointed to receive messages then this becomes law on the 6th or 7th (i.e. in 10 days, not counting Sundays).
But, if no one is appointed for this break, then it’s a pocket veto and cannot be overruled, it would require a new bill.
If Congress were in session the week of the 6th, then this wouldn’t be an issue.
It’s particularly bonkers because the bill passed with a veto-proof majority
So, Trump has zero leverage here. Unless he thinks, somehow, he can convince Republicans to switch sides and vote against a veto override on a bill they already voted for.
This bill is becoming law whether he supports it or not. It’s also quite popular (with everyone who is not in Private Equity). Usually, he bends over backwards to be seen on the popular side of an issue. This makes no sense, even by Trump logic.
In his jello brain this is a power play. He got some recent primary wins, so now he’s going to dare Republicans to defy him on this under the threat of a future primary challenge. The next big election after the midterms will the presidential election where he imagines he’ll be the kingmaker.
I agree I think it’s unlikely enough people are going to bend on this, but with how spineless Republicans have been, it would not surprise me if a whole bunch of them started making noise about it. Jesters dancing for the king.
That is exactly what he will do. And they will fall in line like they always do.
They can remove the dementia fuckstick at any point, but they don’t. Even while he’s at a new all-time low approval, even with Republican voters. And regularly failing at absolutely everything he does now. It’s extremely easy to justify removing him with all these obvious and public fuckups, but they still don’t.
I don’t think they can use the 25th amendment unless Vance is on board. And going into midterms with Acting President Vance might not be any more appealing to the Republicans than sticking with Trump.
Are you serious? No, the 25th is not an option. It never was, especially this term. It is not worth mentioning.
I was saying it should be used. The person I was replying to seemed to be suggesting it and I was pointing out problems.
edit: wasn’t. I wasn’t saying it should be used.
I don’t buy any Private Equity whining about this, all they need to do is spin up a few corporate shells and they’ll be able to keep each one of them under the limit on single family home ownership, but they’ll still be cashing subsidies for construction and enjoying the gutting of environmental regulations that came with this
The real housing reform we need is more public housing on the market owned and administered by municipal or state governments, anything short of that is just going to be putting money back into the pockets of the land barons
You don’t think private equity will be complaining, lobbying on this? Wow, your understanding is fucked.
No, I think their complaining and lobbying is a bullshit pretense to keep everyone talking about this legislation that doesn’t solve the problem (and creates a few new ones) instead of talking about policies that would actually do something
While this legislation is bullshit, and clear permit processes and such for these same assholes to bring their bullshit, they will still be opposing it out of principle, you can be sure. These are the most arrogant assholes on the earth.
He’s trying for a pocket veto. It might work.
Doesn’t a pocket veto mean the law goes into effect anyway?
The President has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to sign the bill, or veto it. If he does neither, the bill takes effect as if he had signed it – as long as Congress is still in session.
A Pocket Veto is when the President doesn’t sign a bill, and Congress is not in session when the 10 day period expires. In that case, the law will not take effect.
But, these days Congress never formally adjourns. Even when they go home, local members still hold formal sessions where nothing is done specifically to keep Congress in session. And I think even this Congress won’t simply adjourn itself because Trump wants it to.
This was also a discussion when Trump nominated idiots like Matt Gaetz, who had no shot of getting confirmed. Trump wanted Congress to adjourn itself, so he could make a Recess Appointment. They declined. If they didn’t roll over then, they won’t now.
I guess this bill passed with a veto proof majority, so there is no pocket veto, but normally, if it passed with like 50 some percent, he could not sign and it would be a pocket veto.
I’d Congress stays in session it goes into effect. If Congress leaves town it doesn’t.
That’s basically it, but the complex version is that if someone is appointed to receive messages then this becomes law on the 6th or 7th (i.e. in 10 days, not counting Sundays).
But, if no one is appointed for this break, then it’s a pocket veto and cannot be overruled, it would require a new bill.
If Congress were in session the week of the 6th, then this wouldn’t be an issue.