If they want to dismantle a union, start with police unions. But I’m sure that’s the one and only union they would support. Tells you something about these assholes. And police.
Exceeeeppppptttt when the union in question is full of members who’s job it is to put people in cages like animals, most of the time without need. Also when a side effect of the job of the members is murder of innocent civilians and protesters.
I have to disagree with you here, you can’t group police unions described in my last comment to, say, coal miner unions which got the miners and their families paid in US dollars, got them out of broken down and expensive company housing, raised their wages to living levels, and generally raised generations of entire regions out of poverty before the mines were automated or shut down.
ETA: Also, other types of unions don’t terrorize civilians when they don’t vet their way, other types of unions hurt the BOSSES and capitalists and are generally integrated into the community, not trying to lord over it.
There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity?
Yes. All public sector unions. There isn’t a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where “management” essentially agrees to anything as there’s no benefit to disagree.
The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail.
If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less.
We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven’t seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession.
In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever.
If they want to dismantle a union, start with police unions. But I’m sure that’s the one and only union they would support. Tells you something about these assholes. And police.
Counterpoint: Unions who break up strikes aren’t unions
Police aren’t working class, I don’t make the rules
True. They’re the ruling class’ private army. They don’t count.
except police unions arent true unions, just a mafia/gang that can strongarm a city to give it what it wants for protection.
that’s what an ideal union is
Exceeeeppppptttt when the union in question is full of members who’s job it is to put people in cages like animals, most of the time without need. Also when a side effect of the job of the members is murder of innocent civilians and protesters.
that isn’t relevant to the quality of the union, it juat makes the entire job evil
I have to disagree with you here, you can’t group police unions described in my last comment to, say, coal miner unions which got the miners and their families paid in US dollars, got them out of broken down and expensive company housing, raised their wages to living levels, and generally raised generations of entire regions out of poverty before the mines were automated or shut down.
ETA: Also, other types of unions don’t terrorize civilians when they don’t vet their way, other types of unions hurt the BOSSES and capitalists and are generally integrated into the community, not trying to lord over it.
All public sector unions should be disbanded.
I work in the public sector working in health and fitness. Should my union be dismantled?
Yes if you are a public sector employee. There’s not an owner or management for you to negotiate against
There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity?
Yes. All public sector unions. There isn’t a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where “management” essentially agrees to anything as there’s no benefit to disagree.
The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail.
If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less.
We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven’t seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession.
In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever.