If this shit happens then none of us (citizens included) have due process. ICE can just say they suspect you’re an illegal immigrant and lock you up forever. A lot of people seem to think that if you just show them the documents or prove that you’re a citizen this won’t happen. All they have to do is snatch you up. You typically see this line of thought from folks defending the current administration, like they believe if you rationally present your argument to authority they’ll always agree.
There are already enough cases of people showing their papers to ICE and discovering that ICE don’t care and aren’t held to account. But the people supporting it tend to be the “pay no attention until it happens to me” type.
Mom kinda thinks like this. I told her that no one should even be asked to prove their identity like that in public. She’d be more firmly on the right if my father isn’t tempering her.
My parents are reversed, with my mom tempering my dad’s conservatism. But it’s the same basic idea. My mom and I will be discussing whatever Government Atrocity of the WeekTM is making the news cycle, and my dad will basically go “good, I hope it sucks for {victim}. If they don’t like it, they can leave.”
Gee, and you wonder why I don’t ever want to hang out…
If this shit happens then none of us (citizens included) have due process. ICE can just say they suspect you’re an illegal immigrant and lock you up forever. A lot of people seem to think that if you just show them the documents or prove that you’re a citizen this won’t happen. All they have to do is snatch you up. You typically see this line of thought from folks defending the current administration, like they believe if you rationally present your argument to authority they’ll always agree.
Aren’t there already cases where holding valid documents has had no effect?
yeah, they already deported US citizens.
There are already enough cases of people showing their papers to ICE and discovering that ICE don’t care and aren’t held to account. But the people supporting it tend to be the “pay no attention until it happens to me” type.
Mate, with respect, they don’t give a fuck about the constitution nor civilians nor citizenship and have proven so multiple times.
No shit.
My point was we already lost due process I get that you’re pissed and I don’t blame you, I am too
Mom kinda thinks like this. I told her that no one should even be asked to prove their identity like that in public. She’d be more firmly on the right if my father isn’t tempering her.
My retort to a lot of these people is to ask if they can prove their citizenship right now, on the spot.
They can’t.
And like even if you could, do you really think that after handing over your passport/social security card/birth certificate that you still could?
I believe they will take your “papers” and lose them with a quickness.
My parents are reversed, with my mom tempering my dad’s conservatism. But it’s the same basic idea. My mom and I will be discussing whatever Government Atrocity of the WeekTM is making the news cycle, and my dad will basically go “good, I hope it sucks for {victim}. If they don’t like it, they can leave.”
Gee, and you wonder why I don’t ever want to hang out…